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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2009 8:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

JamBase: What's it like playing a festival with Dark Star Orchestra, a band that's put so much effort into recreating the music of the Grateful Dead?

Kreutzmann: Well, do you want my honest opinion or a good opinion?

JamBase: Feel free to give both but I'd dig the honest opinion.

Kreutzmann: Well, I'll give you the honest opinion. It always works the best. I think if you're going to spend that much time on music you should work on your own music. I'm complimented they do that and I know people like it but what I think happened is when Jerry [Garcia] died and there wasn't really a Grateful Dead anymore, they filled the gap, they filled the hole, and that's cool, but I'd mix it up. I'd do some Grateful Dead and do some of my own tunes.

JamBase: Would you feel like you'd be progressing if you were just playing Dead tunes?

Kreutzmann: I don't think that way. I know I wouldn't be progressing. I like to be creative and make as much new stuff as possible. I've been playing with a lot of different people. At the Wanee Festival, I had Sam Bush sit in for a while and Col. Bruce Hampton. It was really fun

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/18944/Bill-Kreutzmann-Pushing-Forward

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Aug 11, 2009 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

Personally I just enjoy the music for what it is. I always find trying to compare experiences a fruitless endeavor.

"Take what you need and leave the rest."

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 10, 2009 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

The personal issue I have with DSO and other knock off bands is that at no level of my conscious thought can I form the belief that it's connected to reality. On the other hand, I find it very appealing for someone out of the blue to come in, do a cover, and make it their own. For it to get my attention it usually must be a big surprise and come from someone that's not of the same genre...like Elvis Costello doing Ship of Fools.

I also became a huge fan of Jackie Greene with PAF last tour, rather than comparing the PAF experience with the old incarnation of the Dead. In this case, Phil became the problem, or his singing anyway.


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Poster: skies Date: Aug 11, 2009 4:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

Ship of fools was about all I had left to sa these last 14 years .But lately,as I hear you all talking again, there may be intesting stuff to speak about,yes ? time wil tell !!!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 10, 2009 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

of course he's right. The unfortunate sad part is there will NEVER be another Grateful Dead. You'd think if the magic could have been created once it could happen again.It probably will but not in my lifetime.

I'd still like to check them out although it's REAL hard to defend DSO when they charge more than I paid to see the real band ( and I'm not talking the 60's - 70's prices either ). It really makes me think they should get over themselves.

I bet they wish that Mikey had said this so they could have gone to playing strictly 71-74 : )

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Aug 10, 2009 4:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

Comparing ticket prices of any grateful dead concert with what dso charges now is kind of like comparing apples and oranges.
but regardless, I saw them in november of 08 and they charged 30 bucks. It was one hell of a night of music, everyone in attendance seemed appreciative and had a grand time dancing like it was 1969. Now I dont no what they charge on a regular basis. but 30 dollars seemed PRETTY GOOD for the hell of a night of music they put on, (IT WAS GOOD).

DSO ROCKS

As for the people who say their not original, all i can say is who cares, they do what they do so well that it doesnt matter. Besides, whats wrong with doing something that somebody else already did, people obviously like it.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Aug 11, 2009 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

bd -

Not trying to stir the pot, but Billy did an interview on the Grateful Dead channel on Sirius a while back (I am trying to find the transcript) and addressed DSO with a slightly different spin than what was in the article you sourced.

I'm paraphrasing here but he said the same thing (about a band spending that much time on music should also be doing original stuff). He then went on to say that that was an unfair comment because he also understood what DSO was doing with recreating the Grateful Dead experience and that he had a tremendous amount of respect for the diligence of their efforts to be accurate. He added that what DSO was doing with the recreation effort was a great value to the music community and playing original music and recreating shows were two distinctly different efforts.

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Poster: DeadATL Date: Aug 12, 2009 4:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

I got on the bus 13 years after Jerry died (better late than never...). DSO has been great for me - I've gotten a taste of what you folks got to experience back in the day. I'm grateful they recreate classic shows and don't do their own stuff.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 12, 2009 8:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

if they did their own music, i'd want a refund.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Aug 10, 2009 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

Oh well if the mighty Bill said it...FUCK that.I'm a grown man,I can decide for myself which bands entertain me the most and WTF do I care if they are "progressing" or not.


DSO ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Poster: clashcity Date: Aug 10, 2009 2:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

Yea. DSO is a hell of a lot of fun.

Seeing "The Dead" this last tour... not so much.

I could go see DSO 3 times for what I paid to see that farce.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2009 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

kind of how i felt about the "cut the crap" tour w/o mick jones; what i wouldn't give for strummer in any configuration now (although seeing him in place of shane in the pogues was bizarre...)

My favorite tribute band:

http://www.abbagold.uk.com/

...or is it crystal ship? I always get confused...

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Aug 10, 2009 3:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

billy's just pissed because dso is making more money than him as a dead cover band. that has to suck.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 10, 2009 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

that's funny! and probably true re the cash, but then again, mr k has a valid point

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

It is unfair to Rob Barraco, per what Billy said about DSO. Rob B. is a recording musician who does his own thing on the side as well as working with Phil & Friends.

I loved the dead shows I saw this year (Washington DC, Charlottesville, Philly 2 nights.) I think Warren and Jeff did a bang-up job for the most part. Warren needs to lose the wah-wah pedal though. His New Speedway vocals in C'ville eclipsed Bobby short-shorts version in Philly by a mile (thanx for effing up the 3rd verse Bob), and his Mississippi Half-Step in Philly was the best twist on the song yet.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

maybe but the headband makes it hard to take him too seriously

there, I said it

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

i am in complete agreement with User and dedred, but i gotta agree with you too JOTS :) headband is a tad silly

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 11, 2009 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

I think marriage is making you soft man. A TAD silly? Christ! He needs some leg warmers to complete his ensemble.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 10, 2009 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: For JOTS [and not DSO fans]

"It is unfair to Rob Barraco, per what Billy said about DSO. Rob B. is a recording musician who does his own thing on the side as well as working with Phil & Friends."

Rob also handled his half of the "hot seat"(shared with Jeff) admirably during the 2002 The Other Ones tour. He contributed a lot vocally as well. I wonder if he might not have been asked back for the Dead 2009 spring tour if he hadn't been locked into the DSO gigs.

"I think if you're going to spend that much time on music you should work on your own music. I'd do some Grateful Dead and do some of my own tunes."

This may be a valid point. Though I have never seen DSO, from what I have heard they are very talented musicians. It seems somewhat a shme to expend that much talent as as "tribute band". However, I have attended Beatle, Byrds and Jimi Hendrix tribute shows that I throughly enjoyed.


This post was modified by user unknown on 2009-08-11 00:30:28